By Sogyal Lakar’s logic if he teaches you then he becomes your teacher and you his student and checking is irrelevant. He gives refuge vows instructing students that they must obey him which I just don’t accept to be right for me – its not even optional if you want to participate because it is always just a deeper renewal of faith that he requires of his students. By Sogyal Lakars logic he may believe that if he presides over a practice he is your Vajra Master. We who wrote that letter are not outsiders – i would walk past his compound and hear shrill screams and sounds of violence from time to time along with what i saw directly. It chilled me to the bone and I would ask who it was and find out later and try to talk to see what it was about, especially when it happened to people who were close friends. What goes on that creates such fear and screams?